The CISRS Part 1 Scaffolding Training course ‘loophole’ closes after standardisation program highlights loophole.
The Construction Industry Scaffolders Record Scheme (CISRS) has announced that, as of 1st September 2015 anyone wishing to attend a CISRS Part 1 Scaffolding Training course must now of held a valid CISRS Trainee Scaffolder of Labourer card for a minimum of six months.
Previously, the rule was that a delegate must have had a minimum of six months on site experience as a Trainee Scaffolder or Labourer working under the direct supervision of a qualified scaffolder. They were not however requested to provide a copy of a valid CISRS card at this stage to demonstrate registration to the scheme and help establish their time within the industry.
CISRS say in a recent press release: ‘The current on-going standardisation programme has helped to highlight this loophole. Around two years ago the CISRS Operative Training Scheme (COTS) course was introduced for New Entrant Trainees and Labourers which allowed a lot of the essential generic health and safety, manual handling and component recognition type training to be delivered in the initial stages of an individual’s career within the sector. Anyone applying for a CISRS Trainee or Labourer card after June 2013 was required to complete COTS training.
The Introduction of this course allowed the standardisation group to consider reducing time spent on those modules within the Part 1 programme in favour of more up to date industry guidance and best practice e.g. TG20:13, and introduction to Scaffold inspection etc. Although it was becoming an increasingly rare occurrence some delegates were still attending Part 1 courses without having completed COTS training or holding a CISRS Labourer or Trainee card. There have been instances where a delegate will claim to have had the relevant prior on site experience, however upon attending the course it is apparent that this is not the case and they will subsequently fail the course.
As such it was agreed by CISRS and the Access and Scaffolding Industry Training Organisation (ASITO) that this loophole should be should be closed.
The new rule was initially going to be introduced with immediate effect but it was felt that industry should be given a short notice period to be made aware of the changes to the scheme. This would also accommodate those who had previously booked a Part 1 course prior to the announcement, it has since been confirmed that the rule will now be implemented from 1stSeptember 2015′.
Dave Mosley CISRS Scheme Manager said: “We think that this is a sensible change of scheme rules and is basically a case of housekeeping. The standardisation programme has highlighted a few minor anomalies within current scheme criteria and these are now being addressed.”
You have just said wot I have been thinking for years mate
Dusty better do mine before then than mate lol Mark Mclennan
James Murray ur a lucky boy or u wud a Richardson for life for vital U0001f60eU0001f60eU0001f60eU0001f60e
They should learn to labour well before they learn to scaffold. Cards are given away now. It will lead to more accidents!!
Jo one day u will b a scf o
Jake Kearsley
3 years labouring before doing part 1 card. Most labourers get their part 1 as of extra money but still dont know the basics even tho they have had 2 weeks training.
Nick Bragan
Wayne Crabb
I thought part 1 was a glorified labourer.
Another way to get more money out of us
Ashley Clarke
Oh Yh sorry mate thought u was sayin I look like that bod hahaha
Read it you bellend !
Loool u mug that geezer looks like a right sasage ha
Josh Woodhouse
In NZ its an apprenticeship, you move on when your employer deems you competent and able to sit the next block course. in the past it was Just Advanced, either you could do it or you couldnt, seperated the wheat from the chaff
I think progression through the CISRS cards Should be made mandatory with any card held expiring after a 5 year period. Once at the Advanced Scaffolders Card a 1 day review should also be mandatory at 5 year intervals. This would keep all candidates up to speed with the new release of guidelines and regulations.
Any scaffolders showing a below par level of competence should then be made to resit the CISRS course to the level at which they are deemed to be at when assessed by the examiner
Steven Wilkinson Leigh Salmon
Unbelievable
Getting you’re part 2 or advanced and making more money
Danny Feasey
Disagree. We have spent close to 5k on scaffolding courses and every 4 year have to pay 1k for offshore renewals. If it was free then yes
Haha I’m good yeah! And yourself? You busy
Ya don’t half talk some bullocks Hugh!! How you doing anyway
Yeah shut up
Bettering my self? I have never had a problem with my work. How do you mean bettering?
26 yrs part one.. Never thought of bettering you’re seen
Bring back assessed route
More money out of it!!!
Can’t even walk a long on the floor, how can they walk it on a lift when your abit weary. That’s what I’m trying to say.
Danny de Garis
If your going to pay for it plus the days pay ! They get enough money as it is
Scaffolders dont decide how a job is finished now… A TG20 compliance sheet or scaffold design does.
I know lads in same boat. Still only got part 1 after nearly 30 years. Granted they are not chargehands but still go on big sites etc
I think any part 2 or advanced card holder should re-sit a refresher every two years to guarentee they know the most current regs.
Also 3 year employed as a part two before you can complete an advanced course.
Thoughts?
That’s good, some people here in Australia do there 3 tickets in 3 weeks, not good
Jay Harvey
I’ll send them your way, see how they labour for you. Put them on a course and think they’re scaffs. Surely if they’re labouring for at least 6 months they get a feel for things. And so if they can’t lift or drop a long how can they hemp? Regardless of how much safety practice is in place.
When i first started you knew you were ready to put on some tools when you stopped having fittings thrown back down at u and u stopped getting spat on etc. Too quick to give lads cards these days. Trainee card means nothing, part1 means nothing, part 2 means nothing……. the nature of scaffing always has been that it attracts braindead guys. Sorry to say it but its true. Dont get me wrong some lads are great to work with. They pick it up fast and are good at what they do but the other 95% are just as dangerous after they have been on their course and are “qualified”. In scaffing youve either got it or youll never have it
And later in life end up with a Fk back
Massive fact stuart.. Haha in other words the more gear you carry the better you are. U0001f602U0001f602U0001f602
Martin Webb
Rob Chandler Adam Wood
Macauley Joyce
Nobody seems to mention the fact that you could do your part1 and part 2 in 1 week instead of 2,if the in
Been scaffolding 18 year my opinion you can either do it or ya can’t a days trial made most of us
They do. But there are lots of firms who will use you if you are good. Just not on big sites. Mostly street.
Think your missing the point lol scaffolding too a high standard does not mean by carrying more kit lmao
Calum ‘Brian’ Hollinger
With part 1 you’re still a trainee so what’s the difference? Another way of getting money off us! Should make it 12 months before you can go on your part 2 after your part 1 rather than coming up with a labour card pffff proper bull
How u only got a part 1 card if u been doing it 26 years? I thought they only renewed it twice
About time! Makes sense! There’s lads on my firm who go on courses that can’t even drop long or carry more than 3 fives. Makes me laugh.
Have been scaffolding nearly forty years done some big fab jobs in that time safety always in my mind ! Never to late to learn !!!
George Connor you two seen this?
When you say younger what age group you talking?
Piotrek Bia?o?yt
To many younger think they no everything
What’s that mean then don’t understand lol
Bill Marshall
Every scaffolders got there own way of putting jobs up that’s just part of the parcel these days
Good.
Sam Hesson get it booked n done lad
And to many know it Alls or think they know it
Gary Hale
Charlie the rock Johnson
Tom TheBomb Humpheryes
Jack Pettitt
Darren Quinn
I think it’s right Craig Pearson to many dead heads in the game
Claire Berry
I have been scaffolding 26 yrs now. I only have a part one card. I like to think my work is of a good and safe standard and often get complimented on my work. I worked on a southend firm that puts young lads through their tickets and some of them had no clue yet were allowed to work on tower blocks in london. Its a scary situation.
Lee Hills
Wankers
Part1/2/advanced mean absolutely fuckall